I really liked "princess mononoke", but now it occured to me that it might have committed some cultural appropriation. Where does one draw the line between appreciation and appropriation though?
i mean princess mononoke is like made by japanese people and it deals with japanese encounters with western european civilization and ontologies of nature in relation to capitalist resource extraction and place-based spirituality
"You know what white people hate? Being called racist. Racist is the N-word for white people. Nothing else works. Cracker didn't work. Honkey didn't work. Old fang, whatever that means, didn't work. But you call white people racist and they flip out." - Key & Peele
Just thought I'd point out that a majority of your responses on here do not make any sense. I'm not talking about your points, because that's a whole different kettle of horrible, festering fish - I'm talking about clarity of expression. The things you say are just, well, they look like they're written in code half the time, they're impossible to make sense of so it's impossible to take you seriously.
White people took you us of the jungle, clothed and fed us, and how do you thank them? With some angry blog disrespecting the very people who saved you from being nothing more than a savage. You wouldn't have your computer to type out all your hate on, instead you'd be dying of malaria or being eaten by a rival tribe.
I am not white, and I find this blog to be horrendous! There is no need to spread hate like this, instead you should be spreading awareness and informative ideas.I doubt a person as angry as you seem to be will change their ways, but please give it some thought!
how can i stop hating white people? i have to work with them and it'd be a hell of a lot easier if i didn't want to constantly punch them in the face
in the fire next time, baldwin writes about how he used to hate white people, but then started pitying them, in order to not hate them anymore.
but no matter how generous you are, because whiteness is built on white supremacy, white people — even the anti-racists — just can’t help themselves. you probably won’t stop being harassed, or outright attacked — and those little insults, the little comments, the little lingering doubt as to whether you’re just imagining your white co-workers treating you differently, with less dignity, are all attacks — any time soon. they won’t give you a reason to feel any differently about them, in the long run. how can they, if their entire concept of themselves rests on a history of considering themselves superior to other humans, and acting the part?
Don't you think it's a bit generalized to say "white people suck" or perhaps "white bodies are disgusting" ? I'm not agreeing with the actions and social thoughts many of the European and western originated people, in fact i strongly disagree with some of their fundamental beliefs, but should you not have a little caution before condemning a whole group of people ?
also, cultural appropriation is not limited to, for lack of a better phrase, non-white cultures. It is a regular occurrence for people not of christian belief to wear the cross as a fashion trend. Whilst i do not believe it is completely appropriate, I can recognize the difference between ignorance of the bulk of the population and outright disrespect.
yeah except fuck like way most forms of christianity
I don't get white people who hate other white people for history. Just you come off as an asshole. I thought cultual apprppriation was about respect. Maybe not. But if you are just going to be a butt hurt little bitch that you are what you are, no one is going to take you seriously and you will never become more then just some one on the internet. Just idk people like you just confuse me so much. But have a good day, sorry white people "suck".
there's this one bitch in my school who consistently appropriates other cultures... one day this week she wore a sari, a feathered headdress, japanese sandals, and south african earrings. i see her in the stairwell a lot, am i obligated to push her down?
Call Robert Downey Jr. a dreamboat, several pages later, slip in "all white bodies are disgusting" in an otherwise reasonable reply, sit back and hear the butthurt of hundred of people who can only read one page.
robert downey jr, insofar as he’s white, is also a disgusting white body.
"All white bodies are disgusting" go fuck yourself, asshole, the last thing i need is for another person to tell me that my big body is disgusting. thanks for triggering me into negative eating patterns again.
your white body is disgusting, and it has nothing to do with your eating, just your being in the world.
Is it considered cultural appropriation for a white person to wear ear weights in their stretched ears? (And I mean plain brass ones that aren't specific to any one culture.) I've always wondered since a multitude of cultures wear them for different reasons...
OK, specifically on stretched ears:
Europeans in the Americas and elsewhere have violently repressed cultural self-representation, forcing people to stop stretching their ears, tattooing, wearing traditional clothing, etc.
Where I’m from, stretched ears are culturally and religiously significant. Europeans forced us to stop adorning ourselves in these ways. If white people now want to take up these exoticized practices for their own bodies, fuck them.
All white bodies are disgusting because of what colonialists like them did and do to colonized bodies like ours. Stretching your ears isn’t going to change that, it only makes you more repulsive.
"so did people just never learn that "reverse racism" is not a thing? nobody can be racist against white people, did no one ever tell them that? like you can't be sexist against men? words? words words words?" --> are you kidding me? racism/sexism are concepts that are not inextricably tied to historical experience/precedent. Though racism/sexism may historically have oppressed certain groups, that does not mean that other, non-historically oppressed groups cannot be victims of racism/sexism
so did people just never learn that "reverse racism" is not a thing? nobody can be racist against white people, did no one ever tell them that? like you can't be sexist against men? words? words words words?
Why do people always feel like they have to defend whiteness? Why can't they see there's good and bad in it, just like in every stupid thing on god's green earth? And why don't they read your other posts about how it's not just white people who perpetuate cultural appropriation (though we do dominate in that field), about how cultural appropriation manifests anywhere that domination and exploitation are given free reign? And why do people fight over the internet, it's weird. Love you, keep it up
i mean yeah but there’s no good things about whiteness.
the relief of subaltern european ethnic subjects when they are finally included in whiteness doesn’t count as a ‘good thing’.
"i literally am the worldwide population of oppressed peoples" --> that is actually a disgusting and horrible form of satire and you should seriously delete this blog after making such a thoughtless remark. like actually.
No, i'd say a moron who starts a blog on cultural appropriation with no legitimate background on the subject who is racist and is falsely under the assumption that he/she/they can represent an the worldwide population of oppressed peoples is THE WORST
i literally am the worldwide population of oppressed peoples
on a sensitive and deeply significant topic that you are in no position to be instructing people on. It seems as though your personal experience with cultural appropriation has engendered a skewed understanding of race relations in your mind. whether you'd like to accept it or not, your answers to peoples questions reveals that you yourself areracist. you obviously recognize a fundamental awfulness in white people, which is wrong (and please don't assume that i myself am white, cus thats wrong)
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. To use the word "white" as a referent has significant implications and only reveals your misunderstanding of history, race relations, everything... Your "referent" overlooks the HUGE NUMBER of people with white skin who historically DID NOT practice colonialism (as well as non-western groups who WERE imperialistic i.e. japan). Also, "acceptable features" is a hugely socially constructed idea. there is no such thing as a "white nose" or racially-characterized facial feature.
the word "white" is not synonymous with the privileged, hegemonic powers that exploitatively colonized territories worldwide. Many groups share the same skin pigment as the members of colonial powers but to use the word "white" interchangeably with "imperial, hegemonic powers who happen to have white skin" in historically irresponsible and facilitates unhealthy understandings of race relations. FYI
what are you even saying
whiteness isn’t the “skin pigment” of a colonizer ? that shit’s melanin
whiteness is a referrent, also, so like the set of all ppl who happen to fit into whiteness notwithstanding, jesus christ, the discursive object “white” is still like, describable as european + european descendents, within a certain comparatively low range of melanin production, a certain set of acceptable features, etc., jesus christ, who politically identify with whiteness, because yes, whiteness has politics, and whiteness has a strategic aspect to it, and jesus fuck, this is why there needs to be ethnic studies in public schools (and gender studies, and other REAL THINGS like philosophy and rhetoric and aesthetics // and also fuck schools)
and anyway idk there are white people out there. white ppl exist + whiteness exists & so i’m going to use the word as a referrent for this continued existence - i mean really? you used the phrase “powers who happen to have white skin”? in your argument? do you think you are interesting
better than you (in fact it probably makes us significantly worse AS A WHOLE) because essentially we (we being our government, heritage etc) have enforced it, creating this break between all cultures is whats gonna stop people from giving a shit about others and what everything really fucking means, proper respect you for opening peoples eyes to cultural appropriation but grow the fuck up, you said and i quote "just because someone has native blood doesn’t excuse them from racist behavior"
Is there a difference in appropiation betweeen a white person that gets salon dreads vs one that just doesn't brush their hair? Like the former could be trying to imitate poc but the latter is something that happens to everyone that doesnt groom their hair much
Ok serious question: Is it appropiation for a white person to mimic the style of white group that hasn't always been considered white or have been considered more marginal when compared to other whites? Like I'm asking about a non-Slav wearing Slavic style clothing or a hipster that imitates the style of Appalachian mountain people.
yeah i mean really we ought to be denormalizing becoming-white and assimilation, because at some point or another no one was ‘white’ or whatever so why naturalize that shit. to exoticize others who are potentially white is enacting this power dynamic that like hierarchicalizes relationships between different forms of representation of ‘culture’ and ‘authenticity’ and shit like that. basically it’s letting you know that like slavicness is pre-white, and as such, it’s deployable, it’s indexable, you know? it’s rendered historical and discrete in a way that normalizes whiteness by placing it in the background of shit that doesn’t need to be read.
like, yeah, slavicness is something you can gesture towards, and that gesturing reinforces a specific set of possible moves of self-representation and indexing (you can exoticize your own culture in various ways, etc). this set of representational moves or whatever ends up buttressing whiteness, because it lets whiteness go un-historicized and universalized.
i think i basically get yr point but one serious question cos i really have a hard time undertanding (i'm not from usa): where does c.a. start? does sb with 1 cherokee grandparent have more right to use cherokee practices than sb with one cherokee greatgrandparent? may a cherokee use iroquis practices? may a hispan. amer. wear dreads? may a White person read pushkin (he was Black)? may a White person recite pushkin on stage? those feathers are fckn obvious but what about less obvious things?
there’s no real strict line. it’s a question of like, mimesis you know? like, at what point do animals successfully mimic predators and shit to get away from scary situations?
cultural appropriation can exist at the level of like fucking, elements of design and so on but very often it’s more of a gestalt kind of thing.